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I'd agree.....Here's mine laying on it's back......not quite as high though.Quote:
Originally Posted by rontec
Although mine have pedestals taller than stock......I plan on building some ten-inch high stands one day.
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The basic thought here is to get the sound up to ear level.And it just looks a whole lot nicer than proping the front of the speakers with something does it not.
Oh dear.... Looks like your 19s have been drinking again! :Martini glass:Quote:
Originally Posted by Russnohio
LMAOQuote:
Originally Posted by Panomaniac
Thanks everyone -- you've given me a lot to chew on this weekend....
... All of the above or you could just get a lower couch, HA :lol:. Just joking.
I also have a pair of 846B vals. so, I am concerned with placement as well.
It is my understanding solid placement with a firm floor is essential for proper bass response. I am no expert, I am just relaying what I have been told. A solid concrete floor is supposed to be best. You may want to consider putting some additional weight on them as well as a good solid base. I may try this with mine as well.
Good luck,
Marvin
My Valencias are sitting on plywood boxes that are 16" tall. Someone on this board said that for their best results each speaker should be pointed a little outside of the shoulders of the listener. I have found this to be true for me as well except I prefer the speakers to be pointed 2-3 feet on either side of the shoulders of the listener. As we know, every individual room will require a little experimentation. My 19s don't seem to be as fussy but I still need to spend a little time to varify that. Didn't get to elevating them 8-10 inches this weekend.:)
My Model 19's and Valencias are on a concrete floor (finished basement as seen in pics) which has been carpeted with thin carpeting but has no carpet padding underneath so it is a very firm/hard surface. I think the carpet is good for absorbing any undesirable echo in the room. My AS-101's are in the living room on hardwood floors as seen in the pics in this thread so I think that's a good firm surface as well. I have an area rug in front of them which also seems to do a good job of "deadening" the acoustics of the living room....Quote:
Originally Posted by Mustang Marvin
I point all 3 pair of Altecs just outside my shoulders (when I'm sitting in the center position of the room half way between the speakers) and they do seem to sound best that way...Quote:
Originally Posted by rontec
Do you mean that propping up the fronts of the speakers with video cassettes won't make the cover of "Better Homes and Gardens"? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Altec Best
I'm now seriously considering different options as far as risers, stands, bases, etc. for the Vals and 101's thanks to all the suggestions from everyone in this post. It seems most people here agree that the two main advantages of this are a more realistic soundstage (voices, etc. coming from a more natural height) and visual aesthetics as well. It's good to know that in the meantime, at least, I'm not hurting the bass response by having them sit directly on the floor with the fronts propped up. Thanks again everyone....
Greets!
This is a complex subject that is VERY room, personal preference dependent since typically below ~300 Hz the room dominates a speaker's response and males/females perceive what they hear somewhat differently, so without accurate room modes and speaker polar plot measurements about all one can do is talk in generalities and as I started to list all the considerations I realized I could spend all week typing an in-depth response.
This isn't going to happen, so if you're really serious about all this, then AFAIK all your answers as well as the ones you haven't thought of yet on this subject (and loads more) is in Don and Carolyn Davis's 'Sound System Engineering' and I assume in Dr. Geddes's books. There's probably others and if you knew what all to search for and can piece it together in your mind correctly, then it's all available via Google.
FWIW, for me, all the myriad considerations boiled down to the mids/HF (or at least their acoustic center) at ear height and where applicable, corner loaded. In all cases controlled directivity in our acute hearing BW and at least a minimal amount of LEDE (live end, dead end) room damping is required, i.e. acoustic solutions for acoustic problems. Note that unless specified, consumer speakers are never 'voiced' (response shaped) for proper corner loading.
Indeed, many (most?) do copious measurements to find some response mean (average) that combined with EQ will work 'good enough' overall in a wide variety of room sizes/shapes, positions, though back when large cabs were the rule rather than the exception it often was more about how much they could minimize them, so cabs backed up against a wall to get max LF gain in the minimum bulk, ergo the mids/HF had to be low too for best integration, making for relatively 'squat' cabs. Of course, for 'single', duplex or similar drivers, some compromise height was required and AFAIK it was Harry Olson in the late '40s that concluded that a tall cab with a low vent (AKA, tower, column, now MLTL) satisfactorily overcame this. Frazier and others countered with woofer down low and mid/HF up high, with some models having a reflex vent between the two, but these quickly disappeared no doubt due to being the overall poor performers that they were.
GM
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Do you mean that propping up the fronts of the speakers with video cassettes won't make the cover of "Better Homes and Gardens"? ;)
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BINGO :D
GM- nice summary!